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Season 19: Leading in This Moment | Episode 4

Before You Borrow, Sell, or Reimagine

Overview

What if the buildings and land your congregation has stewarded for generations are an asset waiting to serve God's mission in a changing world?

This week on the Igniting Imagination® podcast, Rev. Lisa Greenwood is joined by Rev. Dr. Mark Holland, project manager for church property development with Wesleyan Impact Partners and Texas Methodist Foundation, alongside Chris Miller, chief financial, investment, and lending officer at Texas Methodist Foundation and Wesleyan Impact Partners. Together they explore one of the most pressing and deeply spiritual questions facing congregations today: How do we best steward the property assets God has entrusted to us? As a quarter to a third of American churches face closure in the coming years, these are not simply financial decisions. They are invitations to discern who we are called to be.

Listen as Lisa, Mark, and Chris move the conversation from scarcity to abundance, unpacking why the discernment work matters more than the real estate transaction, why the best time to gather a small team of visionary leaders is now rather than at the six-month runway, and how a loan can become a tool for ministry. Along the way, Mark reframes decline as change, reminding us that "the church has survived 2000 years of human intervention" and that getting back to the basics, asking why we are here and what would be missing if we weren't, may be exactly the invitation this moment offers.

Meet Our Guests

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Rev. Dr. Mark R. Holland

Rev. Dr. Mark R. Holland is a third-generation United Methodist pastor and Senior Pastor of Pasadena Community Church in St. Petersburg, Florida. He also serves as Project Manager for Church Property Development with Wesleyan Impact Partners and Texas Methodist Foundation, working to identify a repeatable, national model for church property development in the United Methodist Church. In addition to his ministry leadership, Mark has served as mayor of Kansas City, Kansas, and as a county commissioner, bringing expertise in strategic planning, fundraising, and community development.

Rahel Billups

Chris Miller

Chris Miller, chief financial, investment, and lending Officer, oversees all lending functions for Texas Methodist Foundation and Wesleyan Impact Partners.

Chris has sixteen years of banking and commercial lending experience in Texas, supporting the business growth strategies of owner-operated businesses and commercial real estate developers. He most recently served as market area executive at Simmons Bank. Prior to Simmons, Chris served as senior vice president of commercial banking at Southside Bank.

Show Notes

Rev. Dr. Mark R. Holland is a third-generation United Methodist pastor and Senior Pastor of Pasadena Community Church in St. Petersburg, Florida. He also serves as Project Manager for Church Property Development with Wesleyan Impact Partners and Texas Methodist Foundation, working to identify a repeatable, national model for church property development in the United Methodist Church. In addition to his ministry leadership, Mark has served as mayor of Kansas City, Kansas, and as a county commissioner, bringing expertise in strategic planning, fundraising, and community development.

Chris Miller, chief financial, investment, and lending Officer, oversees all lending functions for Texas Methodist Foundation and Wesleyan Impact Partners.

Chris has sixteen years of banking and commercial lending experience in Texas, supporting the business growth strategies of owner-operated businesses and commercial real estate developers. He most recently served as market area executive at Simmons Bank. Prior to Simmons, Chris served as senior vice president of commercial banking at Southside Bank.

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