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Season 10: Facing Reality, Claiming Leadership | Episode 2

Hope in Doubt? Are We Addicted to Hope?

Overview

We’ve received so much feedback on our episode with Dr. Margaret Wheatley, we decided to record an entire episode analyzing the conversation with Meg! Listeners: please keep sending us your thoughts and reactions to our episodes, we love hearing from you! Joining host Lisa Greenwood in this episode is Blair Thompson, Gil Rendle, and Danielle Shroyer. They talk about Wheatley’s unsettling insistence that we are “addicted to hope,” consider what her doubling-down on “islands of sanity” means for congregations and analyze her insight on the Two-Loop theory today: but isn’t emergence still possible?! This episode is packed with thought-provoking ideas that we hope add even more depth and fodder for conversation in your context. May this conversation spark the spirit within you…and as always, thanks for listening!

In this conversation, you’ll hear:

    • Discuss of Wheatley’s unsettling insistence that we are ‘addicted to hope’ (9:19)
    • Consider what the notion of “islands of sanity” means for local congregations (13:55)
    • Analyze becoming vs. gaining (22:34)
    • Interpret Wheatley’s Two Loop theory for the work of the church today (37:24)
    • Experience Danielle Shroyer reading an excerpt from the new intro to the 10th Anniversary of her book, Boundary Breaking God (53:00)

Meet Our Guests

Rahel Billups

Rev. Danielle Shroyer

Danielle spent over a decade in pastoral leadership and was a founding member of the emerging church movement. She often speaks across the country on issues of theology, faith, culture, and story, and she blogs at beasoulninja.com. Danielle currently serves as the Spiritual Director in Residence at Preston Hollow Presbyterian Church in Dallas.

Danielle is the author of Original Blessing: Putting Sin in its Rightful Place; Where Jesus Prayed: Illuminations on the Lord’s Prayer in the Holy Land; and The Boundary Breaking God: An Unfolding Story of Hope and Promise.

Rahel Billups

Rev. Dr. Gil Rendle

Gil is a retired senior vice president and part-time consultant with The Texas Methodist Foundation in Austin, Texas, and an independent consultant working with issues of change and leadership in denominations.

Rendle has an extensive background in organizational development, group and systems theory, and leadership development. He has consulted with congregations on planning, staff and leadership development, and issues of change. He is well known for his work with middle judicatory and national denominational offices and staff as they wrestle with denominational and congregational change.

He is the author of ten books, a contributor to four books, and the author of numerous articles and monographs. His most recent books include Journey in the Wilderness: New Life for Mainline Churches (2010) and Back to Zero: The Search to Rediscover the Methodist Movement (2011) both published by Abingdon Press and Doing the Math of Mission: Fruits, Faithfulness and Metrics (2014) and Quietly Courageous: Leading the Church in a Changing World (2018) both published by Rowman & Littlefield.

Show Notes

Rev. Danielle Shroyer spent over a decade in pastoral leadership and was a founding member of the emerging church movement. She often speaks across the country on issues of theology, faith, culture, and story, and she blogs at beasoulninja.com. Danielle currently serves as the Spiritual Director in Residence at Preston Hollow Presbyterian Church in Dallas.

Danielle is the author of Original Blessing: Putting Sin in its Rightful Place; Where Jesus Prayed: Illuminations on the Lord’s Prayer in the Holy Land; and The Boundary Breaking God: An Unfolding Story of Hope and Promise.

Rev. Dr. Gil Rendle is a retired senior vice president and part-time consultant with The Texas Methodist Foundation in Austin, Texas, and an independent consultant working with issues of change and leadership in denominations.

Rendle has an extensive background in organizational development, group and systems theory, and leadership development. He has consulted with congregations on planning, staff and leadership development, and issues of change. He is well known for his work with middle judicatory and national denominational offices and staff as they wrestle with denominational and congregational change.

He is the author of ten books, a contributor to four books, and the author of numerous articles and monographs. His most recent books include Journey in the Wilderness: New Life for Mainline Churches (2010) and Back to Zero: The Search to Rediscover the Methodist Movement (2011) both published by Abingdon Press and Doing the Math of Mission: Fruits, Faithfulness and Metrics (2014) and Quietly Courageous: Leading the Church in a Changing World (2018) both published by Rowman & Littlefield.


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