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Season 2: The New Wesleyan Ecosystem | Episode 6

Justice & Healing


In Season 2, Episode 6, Co-hosts Lisa Greenwood and Casper ter Kuile talk with Emmanuel Andre, 2021 Locke Innovative Leader Award Winner. Emmanuel prefers to be known as a “Community Defender” instead of a “Defense Attorney” which says a lot about his approach to his work both inside and outside the courtroom. Restorative justice is more than a program, it is a way of being to Emmanuel, who believes transformation is possible if love is offered unconditionally while walking alongside another. Emmanuel’s non-profit organization Circles and Ciphers walks alongside young people impacted by violence through hip-hop and art-based peace circles that provide space for conversations and community support to promote healing from trauma. Emmanuel’s story of how the church has walked alongside him from his childhood until now is a testimony to the church’s power to make a positive difference in the lives of individuals and communities. This conversation is simply inspirational from beginning to end and invites us all to consider our responsibility to create spaces where hope and healing can flourish and those who feel unseen can find friends.

Meet Our Guest

Rahel Billups

Emmanuel Andre

Founder of Northside Transformative Law Center, a space where community members, families, and professionals come together to advocate for and accompany individuals who are navigating the criminal justice system.

Founder of Circles and Ciphers, a hip-hop-infused restorative justice organization for young people impacted by violence; Connected to United Church of Rogers Park, a United Methodist congregation.

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This season features Wesleyan Investive’s 2021 Tom Locke Innovative Award winners. The award honors spiritual entrepreneurs who have envisioned a broader mission field and have taken risks to make their God-sized dreams a reality. For more information about the award and the recipients, visit

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